How TAP was named

From Test Anything Protocol

Andy Lester's original use.perl.org journal entry (probably dead):

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I've wanted to name the Test::More protocol for as long as I can remembering being into testing, so that we can write a spec and let others write to it. So far I have a shell library and a PHP library that create output in that format.

Kevin Meltzer: Test All Perl Andy Lester: Gessner: Weren't we going to write HTTP::Tap at one point? Chris Shiflett: rip - red ink protocol, like red ink used for grading papers chromatic: Nat, just the ok/not ok stuff. Casey West: This is naming simply the output format from tests that conforms to Perl's test harness requirements. Joe McMahon: couple of brand names - TAP Air Portugal

Andy Lester: Nat: We just need to name the quot;ok 1\nok 2\nquot; thing, so that PHP et al can write to it. Nat Torkington: PERT = Perl's Regression Tests Andy Lester: That's a mis-Google waiting to happen. Andy Lester: But it could be anything, too Pete Krawczyk: Nat: I personally would like to keep Perl out of it to encourage other langs to pick it up Pete Krawczyk: The name, that is

Casey West: Test Reporting Language - TRL. MTv can bite me. Andy Lester: Yes, it's not a Perl thing. Nat Torkington: I just tried to Google a bunch of project names, and it's almost impossible when they're real english words. Name it something like STF2004 (Simple Test Format) so that it can easily be googled for. Kevin Meltzer: All Your Tests Belong To Us Andy Lester: And really, Test Anything Protocol is pretty wide open. Kevin Meltzer: *ducks*

Joe McMahon: STP - simple testing protocol (collision) Pete Krawczyk: Test Reporting Syntax - TRS! Then we can have quot;TRS Reportsquot; Pete Krawczyk: wait, d'oh Pete Krawczyk: wrong acronym Chris Shiflett: rifts - red ink format for testing stuff Pete Krawczyk: Test Protocol Syntax

Nat Torkington: CTOF, common test output format? Andy Lester: quot;I see you forgot your code coverage page on your TPS report.quot; Joe McMahon: CTP - common test protocol Nat Torkington: TTS, The Test Syntax. pron: quot;tittiesquot; Andy Lester: I want it pronouncable Andy Lester: like prove.

Kevin Meltzer: Are we thinking of a name, or an acronym to build a name from? Andy Lester: I would prefer a name. Chris Shiflett: fiddle Kevin Meltzer: Generic Testing Protocol Jesse Sheidlower has joined this chat. Pete Krawczyk: I would imagine we could probably backronym most any name

chromatic: mm, testzilla Andy Lester: Hey Jesse Andy Lester: Let's ask the OED guy! Casey West: quot;agent 42quot;, just like you see in random packs of underwear that's been tested by agent $N. Andy Lester: Why fiddle? Kevin Meltzer: Open Test Protocol

Joe McMahon: inspector 9 Andy Lester: But it's not open. Nat Torkington: heh, call it the Universal Testing Format, Version 1. UTF-1. confuse the shit out of everyone. Andy Lester: It's whatever I say! hah! Andy Lester: TXML! Andy Lester: TESTING XML!

Chris Shiflett: fiddle - no good reason, other than it tells you whether you need to keep fiddling Kevin Meltzer: Is it really a protocol? Joe McMahon: bad andy no biscuit Chris Shiflett: and because fiddle is fun to say Jeff Bisbee: dalek? chromatic: Test Control Language!

Andy Lester: I think it's a protocol. Chris Nandor: chromatic++ Andy Lester: It's a one-way protocol. Jim Brandt has joined this chat. Andy Lester: Tests, 'kay? Jim Brandt: Huh?

Andy Lester: Hi Jim. W're naming the Perl testing protocol. chromatic: It's not as if anyone but Ziggy and AOL are using Tcl right now anyway. Chris Nandor: true enough. Casey West: well, we have prove. Jesse Sheidlower: What do we have so far? Casey West: prove needs... proof

Andy Lester: ooooh Joe McMahon: axioms Andy Lester: keep going, Casey. Andy Lester: evidence? Nat Torkington: call it Simple Test Output Protocol, and postfix the language name. STOP-Perl, STOP-PHP. I think we can all get behind that. Kevin Meltzer: NOOK

Casey West: proof, really, that's the best I can do. Joe McMahon: lemmas Chris Shiflett: diebold Casey West: paper trail Chris Shiflett: Andy Lester: Chad!

Joe McMahon: steps in a proof are... Shawn Boyette: lemma sounds nice Chris Shiflett: chad would be cool and funny Jesse Sheidlower: Lemming? chromatic: Simple Text Output Meta Protocol Of Unmonitored Tests

Kevin Meltzer: SMOKE Jeff Bisbee: smoke is good Andy Lester: Smoke already has meaning. Casey West: smoking gun Andy Lester: Otherwise prove would have been smoke. Casey West: testimony

Chris Shiflett: scout Joe McMahon: FACT? Kevin Meltzer: Right, smoke has meaning for testing Casey West: I'm just fishing for synonyms now... Chris Nandor: Actuarial Catalog of Tests Under Proof Andy Lester: I want to be able to say quot;OK, here's a TAP reportquot;

Andy Lester: PLUS, anyone should be able to parse a TAP report. chromatic: TAPITTO Kevin Meltzer: Did you TAP that ass? Andy Lester: KM: Been discussed. Shawn Boyette: DALEK Andy Lester: Been discussed.

Chris Shiflett: inkle Jeff Bisbee: confirm Nat Torkington: definitely TPS David Hand has joined this chat. Jeff Bisbee: quiz Nat Torkington: quot;do you have that TPS report for me, yet?quot;

Andy Lester: cogent: We're naming the Perl testing protocol. Chris Nandor: i like TAP. Pete Krawczyk: Simple Test Reporting Engine Protocol - I've got STREP! Chris Shiflett: tip - like a tip-off, or the testing independent protocol Andy Lester: TAP is the best so far. David Hand: Polemos

Jeff Bisbee: try Andy Lester: TIP is good. Chris Nandor: i see so many nicks in here i recnognize, it feels like home David Hand: At least, if a phalanx is what does it. Chris Nandor: /me takes a nap in a warm blanket

Chris Shiflett: clue Andy Lester: Pudge: And prob'ly some you don't. Chris Nandor: yes. Andy Lester: I only see real names. I don't ven know your nicks. Jeff Bisbee: probe Richard Dice: This is just a big nick-o-rama to me.

Richard Dice: I can figure out about 5 people. Andy Lester: Jeff: That's brilliant! One key width of a difference from prove! Nat Torkington: take a lesson from the US Gubmint. Project Testing Liberty and Enduring Smoke Chris Shiflett: Joe McMahon: Project Obviously Wrong Jeff Bisbee: scrutiny

David Hand: Polemos. And the head of it is the Polemarch. David Hand: Andy Lester: But it's just a format. David Hand: /me goes back to his Greek Chris Shiflett: litmus

Nat Torkington: Standard Practices Emitting Result Metrics. Joe McMahon: indication Andy Lester: THERE'S THE NAT WE KNOW AND LOVE! Nat Torkington: Core Universal Methodology Serving Harnessed Output Tests Chris Shiflett: holmes Casey West: I still like proof, but I'm single minded. If we have to expand it, quot;Proof Modeling Language: PMLquot;

chromatic: Portable Automated Natural Testing System Andy Lester: PANTS check! Andy Lester: Descriptively Obvious Natural Goodness Andy Lester: OK, I think I'm goin' with TAP, all caps. Kevin Meltzer: Test Anything Protocol? Andy Lester: It's wide-open. It can be anything.

Andy Lester: KM: Yes. Kevin Meltzer: Will test Python? Andy Lester: Anything can write to it. Nat Torkington: Standard Practices And Normative Kabbala for Metricing Endpoints Andy Lester: it's just ok 1, ok 2, ok 3 Nat Torkington: bah, TAP is so ... wholesome.

Andy Lester: Shiflett's already got PHP that writes TAP format. Chris Shiflett: ballot Chris Shiflett: bubble Andy Lester: Nat: We can make a dirty one just for you. Pete Krawczyk: Didn't someone already suggest TAP can be quot;testicles and penisquot;?? Pete Krawczyk: Isn't that dirty enough?

Kevin Meltzer: yes Jim Brandt: bona fide Joe McMahon: Protocol Originating from Internal Testing - POIT Kevin Meltzer: I'd say Tits and Pussy, but that's me Chris Shiflett: no2 - like number 2 pencils used to take tests Andy Lester: quot;I left you a no2 file.quot;

Kevin Meltzer: I don't think in male genitalia Andy Lester: quot;Yeah, I know.quot; Jim Brandt: kosher Nat Torkington: Practical Output Of Pass/fails Chris Shiflett: no2 format Shawn Boyette: ooh, the gentoo users will love something called no2

Chris Shiflett: yeah, no2 file Andy Lester: You are the new no6. David Hand: I gotta go back to composing a counterpoint for Music tutorial. David Hand: Chris Shiflett: no5 is as high as you want to go Andy Lester: Thanks, David.

David Hand has left this chat. Andy Lester: OK, anything else? Chris, can you go forward w/TAP? Nat Torkington: A Regular System Emitting Bulleted Ancillary Normative Declarations of Idempotent Tests. Chris Shiflett: I'm fine with anything. Andy Lester: I'm going to extract out the docs for TAP and make Test::Harness::TAP Casey West: test all programs

Casey West: treat ada poorly Casey West: tip all programmers Casey West: okay, back to work. later folks! Nat Torkington: Tang and Poon Nat Torkington: later. Shawn Boyette: Take A Pounding

Nat Torkington has left this chat. Casey West has left this chat. Andy Lester: Thanks everyone! Kisses all 'round! I love the Net sometimes....

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